APA Corporation (APA) Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

APA Corporation (NASDAQ:APA) Q2 2024 Earnings Conference Call August 1, 2024 11:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Gary Clark – VP, IR
John Christmann – CEO
Steve Riney – President and CFO

Conference Call Participants

Doug Leggate – Wolfe research
John Freeman – Raymond James
Neal Dingmann – Truist
Charles Meade – Johnson Rice
Roger Read – Wells Fargo Securities
Scott Hanold – RBC
Bob Brackett – Bernstein Research
Leo Mariani – ROTH
Scott Gruber – Citigroup
Arun Jayaram – J.P. Morgan Securities LLC
Geoff Jay – Daniel Energy Partners
Paul Cheng – Scotiabank

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to APA Corporation’s Second Quarter Financial and Operational Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker’s presentation, there will be a question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Gary Clark, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Gary Clark

Good morning, and thank you for joining us on APA Corporation’s second quarter 2024 Financial and Operational Results conference call. We will begin the call with an overview by CEO John Chrisman. Steve Riney, President and CFO, will then provide further color on our results and outlook.

Also on the call and available to answer questions are Tracy Henderson, Executive Vice President of Exploration, and Clay Bretches, Executive Vice President of Operations. Our prepared remarks will be less than 15 minutes in length with the remainder of the hour allotted for Q&A. In conjunction with yesterday’s press release, I hope you have had the opportunity to review our financial and operational supplement, which can be found on our Investor Relations website at investor.apacorp.com.

Please note that we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the differences between these measures and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the supplemental information provided on our website. Consistent with previous reporting practices, adjusted production numbers cited in today’s call are adjusted to exclude non-controlling interest in Egypt and Egypt tax barrels.

I’d like to remind everyone that today’s discussion will contain forward-looking estimates and assumptions based on our current views and reasonable expectations. However, a number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from what we discuss on today’s call. A full disclaimer is located with the supplemental information on our website.

Please note that the Callon acquisition closed on April 1st. Accordingly, our full year 2024 guidance reflects first quarter APA results on a standalone basis, plus three-quarters of APA and Callon combined.

And with that, I will turn the call over to John.

John Christmann

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. On the call today, I will review APA’s second quarter performance, discuss the Callon integration, and review our activity plan and production expectations for the remainder of 2024. Our second quarter results were strong across the board, with higher-than-expected production in all three operational areas.

CapEx was lower than expected mostly due to timing of spend. In the U.S., oil volumes of 139,500 barrels per day were up 67% from the first quarter as we incorporated Callon into our operations. Production and costs were significantly better than expected on a BOE basis after adjusting for asset sales and discretionary natural gas and NGL curtailments.

Our Permian Basin continues to perform at a high level and we marked our sixth quarter in a row of meeting or exceeding U.S. oil production guidance. On a BOE basis, oil now comprises 46% of our total U.S. production following the Callon transaction. With this increased exposure, APA’s cash flow sensitivity to a $5 per barrel change in oil price is approximately $300 million annually.

In Egypt, production also exceeded expectations. We saw positive contribution from new wells, improved results from recompletions, and continued strong base production. Base production is particularly benefiting from the implementation of several new water injection projects. We are also beginning to see a decrease in offline oil volumes waiting on workover as we moderate the drilling rig count to free up work over rig resources.

Turning to the North Sea, operations were relatively smooth in the second quarter with better than forecast facility runtime driving higher production. Our ongoing focus in the North Sea is right sizing our cost structure for late life operations. In Suriname, our partner Total recently announced that it has secured the FPSO hole for our first offshore development and we remain on track for FID before year end and first oil in 2028. And in Alaska, we are still working through options for the upcoming winter drilling season and look forward to returning to exploration activities.

Turning now to the Callon acquisition, note that in last night’s release we increased our estimate of annual Callon cost synergies from $225 million to $250 million as we leverage economies of scale of the combined APA and Callon Permian businesses. Steve will speak in more detail about some of the specific initiatives driving these cost reductions.

More importantly, we are just beginning to implement drilling unit design and operational changes that we expect will create substantial value on the Callon acreage via improved well performance and capital efficiency.

Our preliminary estimate is that we can drill a standardized two-mile lateral for roughly $1 million less than Callon was spending in 2023. We recently spud our first APA designed drilling unit on Callon acreage, the five well Coleman unit in the Midland Basin and should begin to see initial flow-back results in the fourth quarter.

Turning now to our activity plans and outlook for the second half of 2024. In yesterday’s release we provided guidance for the third and fourth quarters which contained some notable positives. In the U.S. we will average nine to 10 rigs for the remainder of this year consisting of approximately five rigs in the Delaware and four rigs in the Midland. We plan to run three to four frac crews and complete about 90 wells by year end.

This sets the stage for strong oil growth in the second half of the year. Accordingly, we are increasing fourth quarter U.S. oil guidance to 150,000 barrels per day which is up 1,500 barrels per day after adjusting for the impact of asset sales closed in June. This represents organic production growth of roughly 8% compared to the second quarter. We also expect an increase in natural gas and NGL production driven primarily by fewer discretionary curtailments than in the first half of the year.

In Egypt we expect a continuation of the operational progress that we made in our second quarter. There will be some volume impacts from the rig count decrease but this should be mitigated by strong base production performance and increased workover capacity to remediate wells offline. By year end, we project that backlogged oil production will be closer to more normalized operating levels. On our May call, we said that adjusted production in Egypt would remain relatively flat in 2024, while gross oil production would be flat to slightly down through the remainder of the year.

While there are a number of moving parts to the program in Egypt, we see no material variances to our May outlook, and therefore guidance is unchanged. Similarly, our full year production guidance in the North Sea is unchanged, though we now expect a bit larger decrease in third quarter volumes associated with maintenance and turnaround activity at Barrel, and a slightly larger subsequent rebound in the fourth quarter.

In closing, second quarter was an excellent quarter operationally, and we continue to execute at a high level in the Permian Basin. We are realizing greater than expected cost savings from the Callon acquisition, and have a clear pathway and plan to improving capital efficiency on those assets. Egypt also had a very good quarter and is beginning to deliver significant capital efficiency improvements. Though our drilling rig count is coming down, continued strength in base production and the return of wells offline will help sustain volumes in the near term.

At current strip pricing, the second half of the year is setting up to deliver a substantial increase in free cash flow compared to the first half. And lastly, I am very proud of our teams for delivering these results while remaining on track to achieve our safety and environmental goals for the year. For a detailed review of APA’s safety and environmental performance, I encourage you to review our recently published 2024 Sustainability Report, which can be accessed via our website.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Steve.

Steve Riney

Thank you, John. For the second quarter, under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, APA reported consolidated net income of $541 million, or $1.46 per diluted common share. As usual, these results include items that are outside of core earnings, the most significant of which were a $216 million after-tax gain on divestitures and $98 million of after-tax charges for transaction reorganization and separation costs, mostly associated with the Callon acquisition. Excluding these and other smaller items, adjusted net income for the second quarter was $434 million, or $1.17 per share.

During the first half of the year, we generated roughly $200 million of free cash flow and returned $311 million to shareholders, nearly half of which consisted of share repurchases. That’s a lot compared to the $200 million of free cash flow, but we liked buying at those share prices, and we anticipate free cash flow will be much higher in the second half of the year. That said, the balance sheet remains an important priority, and I will talk about plans for further debt reduction in a few minutes.

Now let me turn to progress on the Callon integration. As John noted, we increased our estimate of annual synergies to $250 million. Since we announced the Callon acquisition, we have categorized synergies into three buckets, overhead, cost of capital, and operational. We are now increasing our estimate of expected annual overhead synergies to $90 million. Most of this was captured by the end of the quarter on a run rate basis, and the remainder will be done by year end.

At this time, we anticipate that our quarterly core G&A run rate as we enter next year will be approximately $110 million. With that, we will have eliminated about 75% of Callon overhead cost, so no material further synergies are likely. Our cost of capital synergy estimate of $40 million annually assumed terming out Callon’s $2 billion debt at APA’s lower long-term cost of borrowing.

At the closing, we used cash from the revolver and a $1.5 billion three-year term loan to refinance this debt. Instead of terming this debt out, our current intention is to use asset sales and free cash flow to simply pay off the loan before the end of its three-year term. This would represent a significant step forward in the goal to strengthen the balance sheet and to fully realize these synergies.

Lastly, we are increasing our operational synergies to $120 million annually, approximately 60% of which is associated with capital savings and 40% attributable to LOE.

To reiterate, these cost synergies do not include capital productivity benefits associated with uplifting type curves and improving well economics through spacing, landing zone optimization and frac size. We believe this will be a source of material long-term value accretion.

Turning to our 2024 outlook. John has already discussed our activity plans and production guidance, so I will just add a few items of note. We now expect that our original full year capital guidance of $2.7 billion may start trending down a bit.

A number of factors could contribute to this, including further synergy capture from the Cowen combination, lower service costs, improving capital efficiency and potential minor reductions in the planned activity set, mostly in the U.S. For purposes of third quarter U.S. BOE production guidance, we are estimating further Permian gas curtailments of 90 million cubic feet per day. This would also result in the curtailment of 7,500 barrels per day of NGLs.

As most of you are aware, our income from third-party oil and gas purchased and sold can change significantly from quarter-to-quarter. This is primarily driven by the volatility and differentials between Waha and Gulf Coast gas pricing regardless of the absolute pricing levels. It’s important to note that APA’s gas marketing and transportation activities are generally more profitable when Waha gas price differentials are wider. For example, the Waha differential was very wide in the second quarter. While Gulf Coast gas prices averaged around $1.65, Waha gas prices averaged closer to negative $0.34.

Because of the nearly $2 differential income from our third-party marketing and transportation activities was well above expectations. At current strip gas pricing, we expect a similar dynamic in the third quarter. Accordingly, we are raising our full year estimate of income from third-party oil and gas purchased and sold by $120 million to around $350 million. Approximately half of the full year estimate is attributable to the Cheniere gas supply contract and half is attributable to our marketing and transportation activities.

Lastly, APA is now subject to the U.S. alternative minimum tax. And accordingly, we are introducing new guidance for current U.S. tax accruals of $95 million for the year.

And with that, I will turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Doug Leggate of Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Doug Leggate

So I guess there are so many things on the quarter that I could go after. I’m going to just try a couple. But Steve, it looks to us that your CapEx run rate exit, call it, fourth quarter, it looks like you’re going to be around $600 million, which would be about a 10% decline year-over-year, if that held into 2025. Is the objective after you grow, you got the momentum from Callon, is your objective to hold that flat in which case should we be thinking something around 2.4, 2.5 [ph] for next year?

Steve Riney

Yes, Doug, I’d be careful just using fourth quarter. We’re probably going to be a little completion activity in the fourth quarter because a lot of that is — has been bunch into second quarter and third quarter this year just because of the timing of availability of wells for completion. So I think the easier way to do that would be to look at full year spend, take out the first quarter, which is just APA and then I would probably first adjust that for the exploration spend and then just divide it by three quarters because the quarter was high third quarter is going to be about average-ish and fourth quarter is probably going to be a little low. And then I think you’ll get a number of something close to around $700 per quarter.

Doug Leggate

Okay. All right. That’s really helpful, guys. And then we’ll get a chance to…

Steve Riney

Sorry. If you take out the exploration, you’ll probably get something closer to $675 million a quarter of capital spend on basically the U.S. onshore and Egypt. There’s not a whole lot of capital activity, as you know, going on in the North Sea.

Doug Leggate

Okay. That’s what I was trying to get a run rate. So that’s really helpful. John, I wonder if you’ve not wanted to be drawn on inventory depth since the Callon deal, but I’m guessing you’re getting your hands around that now. So when you look at the drilling pace with, I guess, you’re going to be at nine rigs in the second half. What are you thinking with the up-spacing and so on? What are you thinking about your inventory debt looks like now in the lower 48, and I’ll leave it there?

John Christmann

Yes, Doug, it’s a great question. It’s 1 we’re working every day. What I would say is if you look at the existing U.S. Permian run rate. We’ve always said kind of end of the decade with the rig rate we’re at. And when we said we’re bringing Callon in pretty similar duration I think there’s one upside on the Callon is that we can drive the productivity improvements that we think we can then there will be more inventory that comes into play that we did not pay for in our acquisition.

So that’s something we’re currently working on. If you look at where we sit today, we’ve got a lot of flexibility going into next year. We’re going to grow Permian a very strong clip from second quarter to fourth quarter on 9 to 10 rigs, about 8%. And so it gives us a lot of flexibility going into next year pace we want to go. And we’ve had plenty of inventory that we have visibility on that to carry us to the end of the decade. And we’ll keep working that.

Steve Riney

Yes. Just to add on, Doug, to what John just said, just to enhance that a bit. When we were working on the acquisition, of course, we are looking at a lot of outside service providers that look at inventory counts. And most of them probably would have said that Callon had more running room, more inventory, more years of inventory than we did based on our analysis, as John said, which is a fairly conservative view of the world.

We said now it’s probably more similar to ours in duration. And as John indicated, or we can get capital efficiency, capital productivity into the right place on the Callon acreage, the more that inventory quantum could grow back to what some of the other people thought it was, which is something that would extend beyond the end of this decade.

Doug Leggate

Thanks guys. See you next week.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Freeman of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

John Freeman

Good morning, guys. Just kind of following up on some of Doug’s questions. I mean, the Permian and Egypt both exceeding guidance and specifically on Egypt, a pretty solid job of getting that turned around. And I’m just trying to make sure that I’m thinking about this right, where you’ve got you averaged 16 rigs in the first half of the year, you’re going to drop down to 11 rigs in the second half of the year.

And — am I kind of reading it right that even at that lower rate cadence in the second half of the year because of all the steps that you all outlined in terms of the improved kind of base production management, catching up on the recompletion, resolving kind of that backlog of oil off-line in the back half of the year. Is that 11 rigs sort of cadence in the second half of the year? I mean, is that like an acceptable number to kind of maintain volumes? Just trying to make sure I understand kind of the moving pieces.

John Christmann

No, it’s a great question, John, and you’re on the right track. I’d say that the benefit we’ve had by dropping the rigs is, it’s been able to free up the workover rig time, which is critical because we have a lot of recompletion. And really, we also have a lot of CTIs, which are conversion to injection projects that we’ve been able to get to. And so when we were running two workover rigs and 18 drilling rigs. There’s not much slack by ratcheting that back, it’s freeing up the time and it’s letting us get to some very meaningful projects that are making a huge impact.

Is 11 rigs. This year, we kind of guided to flat to slightly down, is 11% the right number. It’s early to tell on that front. But having gotten back from Egypt, there’s also a lot of other projects that we’re talking to Egypt about, for example, some gas drilling and other things, too, which could be pretty impactful as well. So there’s a lot of flexibility there. And we’ll be working through that as we work through our planning sectors.

John Freeman

Great. And then just my follow-up, John, you mentioned that you might — you’d see the gas volumes on the U.S. side actually grow some, and it had to do with sort of the — well, one of the drivers was the fact that you had less curtailed gas volumes potentially in 4Q. So in the current guidance, does it assume any curtailments in 4Q? I mean, obviously, you all — you had some in 2Q, you have even more in 3Q. I’m just trying to get something that’s built into that full year guidance?

John Christmann

Today fourth quarter does not have any curtailments built in. But obviously, we had up the third quarter with September with were Waha sets.

Steve Riney

Yes. And just second quarter actuals, the amount that was curtailed, we had 78 million cubic feet per day of gas and 7,6000 barrels of NGLs curtailed during the quarter on an average day, that’s nearly 21,000 BOEs per day. Our forecast for third quarter, what we’ve effectively left out of our guidance is 90 million cubic feet per day of gas and 7,500 barrels of NGLs. That’s 22,500 BOEs per day. Those are really large numbers as you might imagine.

John Freeman

Appreciate guys. Nice quarter.

Operator

One moment for our next question, which comes from Neal Dingmann of Truist. Your line is now open.

Neal Dingmann

Good morning, guys. Nice update. John, maybe sticking with — on the Permian or the Callon — specifically, the Callon acreage development. Really just wondering here, you all talked about, I think, pretty openly potentially up space a little bit. I’m just wondering besides potentially future of spacing. Is there any sort of material other changes either on the completion or other side going forward, you could see potentially doing at this point?

John Christmann

Yes. As I said in the prepared remarks that one of the advantages to is we’re seeing impacts on the combined business just from the supply chain how we design the wells, we think we can drill a standard 2-mile lateral for about $1 million less than what Callon was spending last year, which is 20%. So we’re anxious to see those numbers start to come through. But excited about what we’re seeing. And quite frankly, we’re just now starting to spud some of the Apache plan pads on the Callon acreage. So excited to see those results, but things are going extremely well on the integration side.

Steve Riney

Yes. The only thing I would add to that on the completion side, with the Callon drilled wells or Callon spud wells since they were spaced quite a bit tighter than we hold space than — we haven’t really changed the profit loading much on those. We did on a few, but not many. But we significantly increased the fluid loading on those fracs. As we get to our wells, the ones that we drill, obviously, both proppant and fluid loading will be quite a bit larger.

Neal Dingmann

Great. Great. And then maybe Steve for you. Just a second question on shareholder return. Specifically, your shareholder return continues to be quite active. I think it was down a little bit sequentially in this last quarter. I’m just wondering, can we anticipate a large step-up for many of the year? Or how would you like to think about the program for the remainder ’24 to ’25?

Steve Riney

I tend to think of that on an annual basis, a calendar year basis, we’ve got at least 6% of free cash flow through dividends and through share buybacks, both with April 1 acquisition using shares, the outlook of dividends and for free cash flow finished quite a bit.

But the framework doesn’t change 60% at a minimum. We’re obviously way ahead of that in the first half of the year. And we’ll see what the second half brings. I think we’ve demonstrated in the past that we’re not afraid to go over well over the 60% mark. But let’s — we also recognize there’s continued need for balance sheet strengthening after the acquisition. And so we’re going to — we’ll balance that on a by quarter, really day-by-day basis. We’ll see where we are as we go from one year to the next.

Operator

Our next question comes from Charles Meade of Johnson Rice. Your line is now open.

Charles Meade

Good morning, John and Steve, the rest APA team there. I’m wondering, you kind of — maybe you didn’t surprise the whole market, we surprised a few people at least with these last couple of asset sales. And I’m curious if you can share or you might want to share what is next? And I guess I’m thinking most prominently about the Central Basin platform, which is an asset or an area that we don’t really talk about much anymore, and it doesn’t seem like you guys are deploying capital there.

John Christmann

No, Charles. I mean, we typically wait to talk about property sales. But there’s a chance, there’s other things that we’re looking at that are not core to us in places that we’re not putting capital. So you may have some decent intel out there.

Charles Meade

Fair enough. And then I have a question about the shut-ins and the marketing in the Permian. As I think about how I would manage that the production, given that you have that valuable firm transport to the coast, I would — I guess, I’m surmising that, that 90 million a day and 7,500 barrels of NGLs is that essentially all of your dry gas and some of your liquids-rich gas? Or is — are you — is there more that you could curtail if that basis got wider?

Steve Riney

Yes, Charles. So there’s — yes, we can we can actually curtail quite a bit more than that, a little more than twice that amount. And so what that is, is that’s an average for the quarter, but it’s in anticipation of there being periods of time where we’re where we’re curtailing quite a bit of gas and dipping into the rich gas well especially do that when price of negative or significantly negative. When prices are just low, we’ll typically just go with the lean gas and not dip into the richer gas. So we do that based on a price basis.

We do it — we have specific prices where we moved from 1 tranche to another. We’ve got 4 specific tranches of gas going from lean to richer gas that we can shut in different pricing mechanisms. And so I just want to — I want to make sure that we’re really clear about one fact, and that is that the curtailment of gas volumes in the Permian Basin and the Alpine High in particular, is totally independent of our marketing activities because marketing is something that we have to do because we have firm transport on two large pipelines, more pipelines now with Callon. And we have to fulfill those transport obligations. And we do that with purchased gas in the Permian Basin, which we then sell on the Gulf Coast. And we have various access points both in the Permian and on the Gulf Coast to be able to buy and sell that gas. So we don’t have a choice of doing that. If we choose not to transport gas, we have to pay the transport fee anyway.

Charles Meade

It’s a nice piece of business. Thanks for that detail, Steve.

Operator

Our next question comes from Roger Read of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open.

Roger Read

Hey, good morning. I’d like to maybe follow up on some of your discussions on Egypt, just to understand, where is the decision coming from on the switch from drilling to workovers? Is that all the partners? Is that your decision? Is it Egypt’s decision? And then how should we think about that maybe reversing as we exit ’24 into ’25 to the extent you can offer any sort of guidance that way.

John Christmann

Well, I mean, we have a joint venture there. We have a one-third partner with Sinopec, but we never have issues in terms of directionally what we think is the right thing to do and we have full support. And I think the good news is the performance has been strong. The projects are very impactful. And it just shows that getting that workover rig and drilling rig balance into play really gives us a lot more flexibility.

I would just say there’s — it would be our choice in terms of adding activity, and there is flexibility to do that. And we’re recently over there, met with President Sisi, met with some of his new cabinet members, very impressed with the new minister and excited to work with him, and outlined some frameworks under which we could think about bringing on some other volumes of things. So very constructive meetings, and it’s just something we’ll factor in as we go into the planning process.

Roger Read

Okay. I appreciate that. And then just to come back around on the Callon integration, understand the changes in the synergies and all. But if you were to — just give us an idea in the old baseball terms or football game quarters or whatever, as you think about the integration and the understanding of what Callon really brings to the Apache family, — like are we early, we mid, are we late in the process of really kind of understanding all that?

John Christmann

Yes. I think it’s probably more like going through fall camp. There’s phases that get ahead early and phases that you’re still developing, right? But in terms of the organization and so forth, we’ve worked through that very quickly with the integration of the assets into the portfolio.

We worked through that quickly. Obviously, the piece that’s the most exciting is still to come is going to be what can we drive on the productivity improvements and what does that do in terms of inventory locations. So we’re just now getting to the first pads and spudding our first Apache plant wells. And obviously, anxious to get on with those results.

Steve Riney

Yes, I’d characterize it using the baseball analogy. I think going through the synergies and going through the headcount and all of that, getting the organization integrated, that’s kind of the pre-game warm up. And as John said, we’ve just drilled our first well out here on Callon acreage. So I would say that we’re at back the first inning, and we haven’t taken the first pitch yet. So it’s just starting. Game is just beginning.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Hanold of RBC. Your line is now open.

Scott Hanold

I was wondering if we could pivot to Suriname. And what are your high-level thoughts on how you look at activity maybe spending in 2025? I know it may be a bit early and your partner has an upcoming Analyst Day and that we’re going to get more color there. But what is your understanding at this point?

John Christmann

Scott, I mean, we’ve been pretty consistent since this time last year that the — after we finish the Krabdagu appraisal that we were highly confident we were going to have a project, and we stated we plan to have an FID by year-end ’24. And obviously, we remain on track. It’s consistent with the message that Total has now put out. I think that is the next step.

And once we get to that step, then we can obviously talk a lot more about what that means and all of that, but things are going extremely well. Teams are working very well together, and they are doing their thing. So right now, I’d say we remain on track for year-end FID and first of all by 2028, and they’re working hard to accelerate those.

Scott Hanold

Okay. Understood. And my follow-up question is back to kind of the Permian inventory runway. You talked about being confidence at the end of the decade at this point in time. Do you all think that’s a strong enough position? And so what I’m trying to get to is like what is your appetite for further consolidation? Do you feel comfortable with that position now? Or are there other opportunities there for you?

John Christmann

Today, we feel very comfortable with where we sit. I mean — and when we talk about inventory, we’re talking about long laterals with extremely high PIs. So it’s high-quality inventory. As you know, we’ve got a large acreage footprint in the Permian. We’re always working on how we bring more acreage into drillable prospects, but it just takes time as you mark through and you’ve got a lot of tests along the way.

But today, we’re very comfortable with our inventory. We know there’s a lot more inherently to do there, and we will get to that and improve that as time goes on. I think when it comes to transactions and things, you’ve got to continue to have a very high bar. We’ve had one. We’ve been very patient. We saw a lot of opportunity in Callon, which is why we moved on it. But today, we’re very content with where we sit and believe that there will be even more to do than what we have visibility into today.

Operator

Our next question comes from Bob Brackett of Bernstein Research. Your line is now open.

Bob Brackett

Good morning. A bit of a follow-up on Suriname. Two interesting things that I interpret from your update. One is you all have gone out and with the partner secured a state-of-the-art slot on FPSO from a leading contractor, that’s about the most expensive long lead item I can think of. Does that tell for your conviction in FID or am I overreaching?

John Christmann

Bob, I think we’ve been really confident we’d have a project, right? So — but we still need to get to FID. So it just tells you the seriousness the time line that they’re looking to accelerate. But it’s — they did declare commerciality earlier this year. We just got a lot of work technical work it takes to get to an FID decision. But we’ve said year-end, and I wouldn’t change that now. We just know we’re trying to accelerate that.

Bob Brackett

And then the second issue is you’ve disclosed that the field development area is agreed upon for kind of a joint Sapakara Krabdagu development. If I sharpen my crayon and draw a ring fence around Sapakara through Krabdagu I could capture the vast majority of all your discoveries out there, ring-fence that? And then under the PSE cost recover that and have a pretty good cost pool for future work? Am I thinking correctly there?

John Christmann

I would just say when we talk about Sapakara, it’s pretty much the fine field as we have it defined today. When we talked about appraising Krabdagu, we talked about appraising a fairway and seismically driven, right? And so — and if you go back to the comments when we announced the Krabdagu appraisal wells, we said that not only did it confirm and appraise Krabdagu, but it obviously derisked a lot of other prospects. So at this point, let’s — the next step will be an FID, and we need to get there. But you’re definitely starting to think about things directionally in the right way.

Bob Brackett

Good thing. And I’ll just throw a last one in, which is to say, you guys increased your acreage in Alaska by 20%, that suggests that you see something interesting there or perhaps the option value of that acreage is pretty low. Is that a good way to think of it?

John Christmann

I would just say we’re excited about Alaska. The King Street Discovery is — it’s proof of concept. It proves the play that we’re chasing sits 80 to 90 miles east of where it’s been proven. So we’re in a good area. We said it was a high-quality discovery oil, high-quality sands. So we are anxious to get back and continue exploring in Alaska in the near future.

Bob Brackett

Thanks for that.

Operator

Our next question comes from Leo Mariani from ROTH. Your line is now open.

Q – Leo Mariani

I wanted to quickly follow up here on Egypt. So I know you reiterated your comments from May where you thought that gross oil would be flat to slightly down, Egypt certainly noticed that gross oil in the second quarter was up a little bit versus the first quarter. Just trying to get a sense. I know that the rig count is coming down a little bit in the second half, but do you think you can maybe hold that second quarter gross oil run rate in Egypt? Or do you think it’s more likely that it comes down by the end of the year with some of the lower rig activity?

John Christmann

Yes. I would just say we’ll stick to what we said in the script. Clearly, second quarter was strong. Things are going well in Egypt. But at this point, we didn’t see any reason to alter our guidance.

Leo Mariani

Okay. Any update on the receivable situation there in Egypt that you guys can share?

John Christmann

I’d say it just got back from being over there. As I said, I had a good meeting with the President got to meet some of his new cabinet. Things are going well in Egypt. I mean, I think if you step back and look at it, President Sisi has done a really good job of managing a fairly difficult situation. So we’ve been impressed with that. We have been receiving some payments this year. So all in all, things are going well, and they continue to work through a difficult situation, but we see no reason to be concerned at this point and a lot of positive things on numerous fronts. Steve?

Steve Riney

Yes. The only thing I would add to that, John, is that the new Minister of Petroleum as a set of priorities and high on that list of priorities, just to get the oil companies paid off. And we sit on all of that with him as well. And he’s serious about his list of one of his anxious to get started on this.

Leo Mariani

Okay. That’s really helpful. And you guys intimated in your comments that there could be some opportunities from additional gas there. I know Egypt has been short gas this summer. It sounds like they’re a little desperate to get back at it. Would you anticipate some opportunities and then potentially that could be associated with the price change on some of the gas going forward?

John Christmann

Yes. I would just say, historically, we have explored for oil in the West Desert, and we’re mainly focused on oil. We do produce a lot of gas. We had a very large discovery in case a couple of decades ago. There is gas in the Western Desert and we’ve had some conversations about what it would take to maybe go after some gas projects that could be helpful to the country.

So it’s something that we’re discussing with them. But it’s early. And obviously, you’d probably look at something that made more economic sense at the higher price for future gas exploration. But it’s early, but definitely something that could come into play in the future.

Leo Mariani

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Gruber of Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Scott Gruber

Yes, good morning. I wanted to come back to the upside on the Callon acreage. So as we think about the productivity improvement potential from up spacing and the completion redesign, will there be a material improvement in 30-day IPs? Or will the improvement to manifest more over time in the six and 12-month cubes? I’m just wondering if the shift in the completion design targets a shallower decline and what that means for the 30-day IP improvement potential versus the longer-term improvement potential.

John Christmann

Yes. Scott, we just need to get some down. But I mean, obviously, with the changes we’d be looking at, we’re pumping a lot more fluid. I think you could see increases there, but also with a little wider spacing, you should see better longer-term performance. So we just need to get some wells down and talk from delivered results at this point, so — which we’re getting on to and anxious to demonstrate.

Scott Gruber

Okay. Okay. And then just another follow-up on Egypt. So you guys spent about $135 million a quarter, running 16 rigs on average in the first half, and that will drop to 11% in the second half. Roughly how much will the fiber reduction drop Egyptian CapEx in FDU?

Steve Riney

Yes. I don’t have that number to hand. It should be relatively proportional, but we’re running workover rigs and that some of that work is capital as well, and that doesn’t change. So you could probably get with Gary, he could give you see some data on that.

Operator

Our next question comes from Arun Jayaram of JPMorgan Securities LLC. Your line is now open.

Arun Jayaram

Good morning. John and Steve, I wanted to get your thoughts on how should we start thinking about spending in 2025, you mentioned maybe a run rate of $675 million per quarter heading into next year. And I was wondering, as we think about some of your exploration activities in Alaska as well as assuming an FID at Suriname. I was wondering if you could maybe help us think about maybe a placeholder for CapEx for areas outside of your base D&C program.

Steve Riney

Yes. So first of all, let me make sure I was clear about the $675 million. That was a number that was — it was about 2024 capital spending. And I was — how do you get a — it was a conversation about how do you get a grip on how much are we actually spending on a run rate basis with the current structure of the company with Callon included as well exploration, excluding exploration activity.

And so that’s what the $675 million was that’s about how much we’re spending on average between second, third and fourth quarter of 2024. If you exclude Suriname and Alaska exploration type of activity. As far as — and so the point being that, that was not an indication that that’s what our run rate is going to be going into 2025. Just to be clear about that.

I think the best thing that we can do as we normally do is we’re in the middle of the planning process right now. The great thing about our portfolio, John mentioned earlier, we’ve got a huge amount of optionality. It’s a complex portfolio actually. And you’ve got to make a lot of capital allocation decisions with looking view of where you would be allocating capital where the best returns are going to be through other parts and so that’s what we typically run our planning process starting in mid-summer through the fall. We have an upcoming conversation with the Board about that plan, a preview of that plan. And we’ve got a process that we run through. We typically in November, give a high-level view of what 2025 will look like. And then all of the details we typically give in February.

John Christmann

The other thing I was going to say, Arun, if you look at what Steve was saying on the $675 million, Permian is actually growing at about 8% in the back half of this year. So there’s a lot of room in terms of moderating if we choose to what is the right plan going into next year. And that’s a lot of what we’ll put into the decision-making process.

Steve Riney

Yes. Yes, that’s a great quarter, John. A lot of people talk about, well, okay, what’s it takes to run flat going into 2025? And we had a little bit of a conversation about that around Egypt. We’re running 11 rigs, can you hold flat — Egypt flat with 11 rigs and we’re down to 11 rigs because we had to create the workover capacity to get back at the — to get us to recompletions and workover backlog, and we’re also using that time to do some convert to injection for water injection on a number of these fields.

So can 11 rigs hold Egypt flat? Maybe not. It might be a little low, but we were running 18 rigs earlier this year, and running flat in Egypt is much closer to 11 rigs than it is to ’18. ’18 was clearly more than we needed to be running in Egypt. And as John said, in the Permian, we’re running 9 to 10 rigs for the second half of the year, and we’re growing 8% from second quarter to fourth quarter. So clearly, the number is below that in terms of how many rigs do you have to run in the Permian to stay flat.

Arun Jayaram

Great. And just my follow-up. This year’s financial is obviously benefiting from weak Waha prices and your ability to arbitrage that along the Gulf Coast. Steve, how do you think about maybe a more normalized earnings picture for that midstream, call it, piece when you have Matterhorn on and maybe some other pipes. So just wanted to think about how you think about kind of the normalized earnings potential there.

Steve Riney

Well, I don’t know what normalized is anymore after the last several quarters. But in general, market dynamics would tell you that a balanced situation would be that differentials between Waha and Gulf Coast they need to formalized would be that, that should have over time we’re basically just making money on the Permian and by buying something slightly below Waha pricing because we’ve got multiple receipt points and we can take best price, and we typically do, but you’re talking about pennies per Mcf.

And then on the Gulf Coast side, multiple delivery points where you can sell for pennies maybe above Houston Ship Channel here or there, and you can squeeze a few pennies out on both ends, but on 674 million cubic feet a day, that makes a difference over time. And it just pays for the transport and fuel costs. But in that oil and gas purchase for resale, remember that still includes the Cheniere contract, which, of course, has nothing to do with Waha differentials.

Arun Jayaram

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Your next question comes from Geoff Jay of Daniel Energy Partners. Your line is now open.

Geoff Jay

Hey guys. Just wanted to get some clarification on the DMC savings you guys talked about. I mean kind of $100 a foot for a colon 2-mile, I guess those are like $72 million of the total synergy. Just wondering kind of if you can give me any more granularity about what’s in there? And are there any service cost deflation numbers in that figure?

John Christmann

Yes. So what we’ve included in the $150 million of annualized synergies excludes the benefit of lower rig rates for frac. Exactly [technical difficulty] have some integrity and [technical difficulty] synergies of a transaction [technical difficulty]. That is excluding any market synergies. So while John talked about $1 million cheaper or lower cost to drill a single well — that includes the market benefit, but we only took about 70% of that number because 30% of that is the — some of the market benefits on steel, on rigs, on frac and other things. What is included in the $250 million is about $60 million of annualized run rate for the lower drilling costs on these wells.

And what that $60 million is, is basically with 9 to 10 rigs running in the Permian Basin, that’s about how many Callon wells we would drill in a given year. And so that’s how we got to that number. We’re are obviously not drilling 60 wells this year. So we’re not — it’s not like we’re going to capture a full $60 million of benefit in the calendar year ’24. But if we keep running at a similar rate that we’re running these days, then we’ll probably capture something near that in 2025.

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Cheng of Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

Paul Cheng

Just one quick one. Alaska, John, can you share with us that what’s the drilling trend over there? I mean, how many wells you guys are going to drill whether it’s all exploration or is going to be doing some appraisal on the King Street? And what — how much spending that we may be talking about? Thank you.

John Christmann

Yes, Paul, it’s early. I mean we’re working through plans with a partner. So at this point, no update on Alaska, specifically for plans other than that, we will be doing some more drilling up there.

Paul Cheng

Okay, all right. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn it back to John Christmann, CEO for closing remarks.

John Christmann

Thank you, and to wrap up really, just a couple of points here. Number one, we’re delivering strong results in the Permian and the Callon integration is going extremely well. Secondly, freeing up the workover rigs in Egypt is letting us do two things, one, implementing some very impactful water flood initiatives. Two, reducing the backlog of wells waiting for workover recompletion and the results of both of those are very visible.

And lastly, we are raising full year oil production guidance while seeing a downward bias to our full year capital. And with that, I’ll turn it back to the operator. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.