Round 780 folks have been detained on the jail at Guantánamo Bay because it opened in January 2002. Thirty men remain there today, lots of whom haven’t been charged.

The podcast “Serial,” which debuted in 2014 with the story of a questionable homicide conviction, has devoted its new season to Guantánamo. Over 9 episodes, it tells the story of the jail by means of a private lens, by the use of conversations with individuals who labored or had been detained there.

I spoke with the hosts, Sarah Koenig and Dana Chivvis, concerning the present.

Desiree: There’s an fascinating political story to be informed about Guantánamo, however why did you resolve to inform this story by means of the individuals who lived by means of it?

Sarah: The federal government threw all of those regular folks on Guantánamo, they usually needed to type out how on earth are we speculated to behave in right here, how are we speculated to make sense of this? So over the course of 20 years, you noticed this factor, which was sort of like a horrible spasm within the nationwide response to 9/11, harden into one thing that was making an attempt to justify and maintain itself. I feel that’s what we had been inquisitive about: Who had been these people who find themselves having to make selections, who’re having to outlive a factor not of their very own making, and what did that appear like and what did that really feel like?

Within the reporting of the podcast, did something upend your preconceived notions or shock you about Guantánamo?

Dana: The individuals who work in Guantánamo for the navy rotate out and in about each 9 months, however the prisoners have been there, so in a short time the prisoners discovered how the jail operated higher than the guard power did. I heard loads of tales about prisoners who would right the guards and be like, “No, no, you need to give me 10 squares of toilet paper,” or “You’re not handcuffing me right. Let me show you how to do it.”

And I feel the factor that shocked me essentially the most as I began digging into it was that we had been informed by the Bush administration that these are the worst of the worst, these are the individuals who did 9/11. Because it turned out, they weren’t, and the individuals who labored in Guantánamo — and lots of people within the Bush administration — knew that from inside months of the primary prisoners’ arriving. There wasn’t an incredible quantity of screening occurring. It was actually like an overflow room for the conflict in Afghanistan. And the prisoners who’re there, and had been there, have now been dipped on this poisonous paint of this place ceaselessly.

One factor that struck me was that whereas issues at Guantánamo had been scary and unsettling, it was additionally a extremely surreal place.

Sarah: I feel the factor that lots of people both don’t know or overlook is that it’s only a naval base. Like a standard naval base, it has sandwich outlets and a espresso store and a college and a chapel. It’s simply while you first go to there, you’re not psychically able to see that. However by the third time I went, I wasn’t even noticing that stuff. As soon as, I used to be there with these younger folks from numerous N.G.O.s who had been there to look at the court docket, and one man goes, “I got a coffee this morning, and then this woman told me to ‘have a nice day,’ and I was like, What are you talking about? How can I have a nice day?” And I used to be like, “Oh, you’re a newcomer. You’ll get over that.”

How have you ever seen Guantánamo evolve?

Sarah: Once I was first reporting on it within the early 2000s, there have been a whole bunch of prisoners there, and it felt very lively and really violent and really scary and really surprising. And in 2015, I feel there have been 122 folks. It wasn’t just like the dangerous wasn’t nonetheless occurring, but it surely had dug in for the long run. These folks simply dwell right here now, and the court docket is chugging alongside. It felt very like an establishment.

To me it feels prefer it’s in its final throes, and it’s kind of falling aside. But it surely’s fascinating — I spoke to an lawyer who has been working there for greater than a decade on the identical case, and he was like, “Every time you come, you think this thing is about to fall apart, and I’m here to tell you: You have no idea whether it’s falling apart.”

Hearken to the first two episodes of the season here.

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You’re making an attempt arduous to inform the reality lately, however other than what’s occurring with your loved ones, does committing to honesty current issues in your day-to-day life? It’s not straightforward to be totally sincere with everybody.

Oh, folks get mad at you. I don’t like that however I do know that’s part of telling the reality — the response isn’t constant. I used to lie to maintain a constant response, which was all about Like me, like me, like me. I informed the reality about who I’m and now there’s a rift with my mother. I used to be mendacity as a result of it was extra nice.

For different folks.

For different folks! And thus for me. I don’t like not speaking to my mother. But it surely’s a byproduct of being sincere. That’s the a part of popping out, the connection with my mother, that I don’t like. It was a reality I used to be afraid to say due to that one relationship. But it surely’s who I’m.

What did you are feeling inside while you delivered materials that conveyed one factor about who you had been when the reality was one other?

I don’t know, man. I don’t know as a result of I wouldn’t have known as myself homosexual. I couldn’t settle for that. That’s why it’s vital for me to say it now. There are particular phrases that don’t have any substitute. Like “I’m gay” or telling somebody “I’m sorry.” However folks can dwell in cognitive dissonance. I did.

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